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Hyundai has officially started accepting orders in South Korea for its first-ever hybrid model, the Elantra LPI HEV, ahead of the car's market launch on July 8. Billed as the world's first hybrid electric vehicle to be powered by a Liquefied Petroleum Injected (LPI) engine, the Elantra LPI HEV made its premiere at the 2009 Seoul Motor Show in April. To be sold under the Avante badge in Korea, the Elantra LPI HEV drivetrain consists of a 1.6-liter LPG (Liquefied Petroleum Gas) engine, a 15kW and 105Nm electric motor and a Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT). The Korean automaker claims that the Elantra LPI HEV emits just 99 g/km of CO2 and 90 percent fewer emissions than an equivalent standard gasoline-powered Elantra. The mild-hybrid car returns an average fuel consumption of 17.8km/l or according to Hyundai, the gasoline equivalent of 22.2km/l which translates to 52.2mpg US and 4.5lt/100km, representing a 47 percent improvement over a conventional 1.6L auto-equipped Elantra.
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Yeah but its better than Prius cause its fuel is LPG which is cheaper than gasoline...
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Not really. The Hyundai Elantra LPG-Hybrid simply shows us how much more we have to do to expand the alternatives in the Philippines.
Honestly, you cannot use the Elantra Hybrid in the Philippines because the car only runs on LPG. You cannot switch to gasoline since there is no gasoline system in this car. On trips outside metro manila, your operating radius is dictated by the fuel range you need for a return trip to the city.
I am assuming the availability of Auto-LPG in South Korea is much more extensive than we have it in the Philippines.
The Toyota Prius, in theory, can be converted to running Auto-LPG. Now if the selling price can be lowered to the P1M level, it might be a car to consider.
Hybrids are best used as taxis, to maximize the benefits of reduced carbon emissions, and for the fact that cost of fuel per km and lubrication is kept at a minimum, thereby maximizing profit and greater income for the driver. I really think they're never meant as family cars that never guzzle fuel as much as public transport.
Manufacturers must build these things like tanks, though, to keep them as far away from repair depots as possible.
One good way is for local thinktanks to look into adopting hybrid technology to upgrade our jeepneys and taxis to get the most carbon saving and increase the income for the operator and drivers as well.
Hybrids are best used as taxis, to maximize the benefits of reduced carbon emissions, and for the fact that cost of fuel per km and lubrication is kept at a minimum, thereby maximizing profit and greater income for the driver. I really think they're never meant as family cars that never guzzle fuel as much as public transport.
Manufacturers must build these things like tanks, though, to keep them as far away from repair depots as possible.
One good way is for local thinktanks to look into adopting hybrid technology to upgrade our jeepneys and taxis to get the most carbon saving and increase the income for the operator and drivers as well.
LOL! ... I would think you've been sniffing glue for too long. Do you realistically see local taxi cabs shelling out P2.25M for a SINGLE cab? And that price still doesn't include the franchise fee yet.
Cab companies would rather shell out P700K for a car already converted to run on Auto-LPG. That is THREE cabs for the price of one hybrid cab.
LOL! ... I would think you've been sniffing glue for too long. Do you realistically see local taxi cabs shelling out P2.25M for a SINGLE cab? And that price still doesn't include the franchise fee yet.
Cab companies would rather shell out P700K for a car already converted to run on Auto-LPG. That is THREE cabs for the price of one hybrid cab.
I suppose that if you pick out the snot in your nose and breathe fresh air for a little while, you'd realize the more noble nature of my statement. ^^
Sure, a Prius costs 2M+ nowadays, but with government backing, tax reliefs, public support, industry re-education, and more daring enterpreneurs, yes, hybrids may become as ubiquitous as the Geminis of the 80's were the kings of the road.
We do know that tax alone jacked the price up to twice it's real value. But with a little more incentive from government, partnerships with local businessmen, it could be done.
We could start with airport cabs or hotel ferries for instance and go more public from there. I'm confident our local talent can, with the right incentives, be able to find substitute technologies to adapt this to jeepneys and taxis. Makati City already has electro-jeeps in place, and so do a lot of local companies in their intra compound ferry vehicles.
A lot of work, but it could, rather must, be done for all our sakes. ;-)
I suppose that if you pick out the snot in your nose and breathe fresh air for a little while, you'd realize the more noble nature of my statement. ^^
Great evils and disasters also have happened and were started with the best intentions. Noble or not, if it is NOT realistic, that is all it will be, intentions. For "intentions" to become actions, it has to be realistic to the situations surrounding it, snot or no snot.
Maybe if you can get off your high pillar of "noble intentions" for five minutes, you can better see what can be and what cannot be done.
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Sure, a Prius costs 2M+ nowadays, but with government backing, tax reliefs, public support, industry re-education, and more daring enterpreneurs, yes, hybrids may become as ubiquitous as the Geminis of the 80's were the kings of the road.
Even without all the taxes, it would still cost around P1.5M which is the cost of TWO cabs complete with taxi franchise paid. I fail to see the possibility of the Prius to be viable as taxi cabs even with tax breaks.
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We do know that tax alone jacked the price up to twice it's real value. But with a little more incentive from government, partnerships with local businessmen, it could be done.
Taxes and duties added around P800K. Real value is closer to P1.3M... add the profit margin & commissions of the dealers, it would come to P1.5M SRP.
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We could start with airport cabs or hotel ferries for instance and go more public from there. I'm confident our local talent can, with the right incentives, be able to find substitute technologies to adapt this to jeepneys and taxis. Makati City already has electro-jeeps in place, and so do a lot of local companies in their intra compound ferry vehicles.
Electric jeeps is a far cry from the sophistication and purchase price of the Prius. Even then, I don't see electric jeeps as being widely adapted without massive help from the local city government.
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Yup... retail is somewhere in the 1.6 million peso range, exclusive of government duties... duties which all cars above 700k pesos have stuck to them, anyway.
For "green" fleets, taxi services might want to look at the Accent, which starts at around 600k (with fleet discounts) and consumes very little diesel. Compared to the Prius, it's a tinny little thing, but if economy is all that matters...
But... the government has a poor record of backing alternative fuels... look at all that they've sunk into CNG, and the refueling architecture never took off, leaving the early adopters (bus companies) with dozens of white elephants on wheels... where LPG, which hasn't been promoted by the government, took off like wildfire.
Or their giving of tax rebates for hybrid parts for locally built hybrids... which hasn't exactly resulted in a boom of locally produced hybrids... Personally, I think they should be courting US start-ups in battery and ultracapacitor production to set up here... offer them tax-breaks if they'll sell their products to local producers at a low price. Some US operations are already setting up in China doing just this, providing high-tech electrical storage for Chinese electrics.
I was hoping Honda's Insight, with its promised $15k price tag, would finally bring hybrid technology in at near-mass-market levels, but as it's stuck at $19-20k US dollars, it's unlikely to ever sell here for less than 1.5 million pesos.
Which leaves us with diesels and LPG-hybrids... I wonder if Hyundai will bring it in... their diesel Elantra hasn't proven to be the hit that the Accent is (whether nobody is willing to pay the price for the indent units or they're having trouble getting stocks... I don't know)... maybe an LPG Elantra will be a bigger ticket, with a lower price.
But I doubt it. The Elantra already starts at 900k pesos for the basic model... where you can get a Sentra with an LPG kit for around 300k less.
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Or their giving of tax rebates for hybrid parts for locally built hybrids... which hasn't exactly resulted in a boom of locally produced hybrids... Personally, I think they should be courting US start-ups in battery and ultracapacitor production to set up here... offer them tax-breaks if they'll sell their products to local producers at a low price. Some US operations are already setting up in China doing just this, providing high-tech electrical storage for Chinese electrics.
Even with all the incentives the RP government can afford, we can't beat what China can offer. China offers both an industrial based to manufacture and a customer base of recently wealthy population who is more than willing to buy the latest consumer goods on the market including new cars.
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I was hoping Honda's Insight, with its promised $15k price tag, would finally bring hybrid technology in at near-mass-market levels, but as it's stuck at $19-20k US dollars, it's unlikely to ever sell here for less than 1.5 million pesos.
The best we could hope for would the the Honda Civic EMA (i think it stands for electric motor assist) to hit our shores soon. Although not a true hybrid since it cannot run on solely on its electric motor, it offers most of the advantages (fuel economy) while costing less than a true hybrid.
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