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Old 11-03-2009, 04:57 PM
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mas masasagot ni Romski ang price issue... I think kung ipa-factor ang fuel usage.. baka mas mura pa rin ang e-jeepney....

Kung sasamahin mo yung presyo ng crudo, eh dapat din samahin mo yung presyo ng mga batterya at kung magkano yung koryente para sa recharging. Kasi nabasa ko na hangang 500 ulit lang yung batterya bago dapat palitan.

Hindi kalokohan yung presyo ng batterya, eh di ba sapo o dose yung ginagamit nito?
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Old 11-03-2009, 04:59 PM
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Kung sasamahin mo yung presyo ng crudo, eh dapat din samahin mo yung presyo ng mga batterya at kung magkano yung koryente para sa recharging. Kasi nabasa ko na hangang 500 ulit lang yung batterya bago dapat palitan.

Hindi kalokohan yung presyo ng batterya, eh di ba sapo o dose yung ginagamit nito?
Hmmm....palagay ko si Romski123, yung gumawa ng e-jeepney tanungin mo. Hindi ako expert dyan e. Mukhang expert ka sa e-jeepney at sa mga baterya ginagamit nito...
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Old 11-03-2009, 05:00 PM
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Mas mahal na kaunti sa regular na jeepney ang e-jeepney. Kasi brand new talaga ang e-jeepney. Yung regular jeepney yung makina at transmission luma at surplus na. Kaya magkaiba presyo.

Mga electric vehcles mas mahal talaga sa regular na sasakyan. Pero mas environemtal friendly kumpara sa mga jeepney.

Inamin naman ng gumagawa ng e-jeepney na hindi nila mapapalitan ang jeepney lalo yung malalayo ang ruta pero yung mga intercity (short routes) puede. Institutions, government centers, schools and industrial estates ang target nila.

Sa sinasabi mo, parang wala pang 5% lang na ruta ng jeepney ang pwede ang e-jeepney.

Paano ba siyang "environmental friendly" kung yung mga batterya niya itatapon na lang pagkatapos ng 500 na gamit? Wala ata tayo lugar na pwedeng mag-recycle ng mga gamit na taso galing sa mga lumang batterya ng kotse.
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Old 11-03-2009, 05:04 PM
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Sa sinasabi mo, parang wala pang 5% lang na ruta ng jeepney ang pwede ang e-jeepney.

Paano ba siyang "environmental friendly" kung yung mga batterya niya itatapon na lang pagkatapos ng 500 na gamit? Wala ata tayo lugar na pwedeng mag-recycle ng mga gamit na taso galing sa mga lumang batterya ng kotse.
Di ako masabi kasi ,saan mo kinuha yung 5% mo? Anung base number mo?

Walang emission.

Nasagot na ni ROmski123 yan.

Importante may e-jeepney na at mababawasan yung mga smoke belching na jeepney sa lansangan.
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JPDM, proper battery management lang ang kailangan niyan para tumagal... and probably baka makapaglabas na rin ng lithium polymer versions (more power and lighter).

hopefully baka magkaroon na rin ng coreless/brushless motors (more powerfull pero consumes less energy and very low maintenance) sa future para sa mga e-vehicles...

"baby-steps" lang muna...
Ayun! ... isa pang tanong.

Yung electric motor ng e-jeepney ay meron brush diba? Hindi ba nauubos ito at kailangan palitan. Magkano kaya aabutin yung at kaano tatagal yung carbon brush nila?

Hindi ba dapat kasama ito sa pagbilang sa "operating costs" ito?
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Old 11-03-2009, 05:17 PM
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"baby-steps" lang muna... masasagot din lahat yan in the very near future...
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Hi Meister,

Ang ginagait ng mga EV ngayon ay Brushless motor... merong ADC at meron ding DC or AC type. Since China ang source ng Ejeep- malamang brushless motors ito since ito na ang standard ngayon sa mge EV motors.

Kung meron mang issue ang EV's... Battery life, maintenance and cost lang talaga. Dito papasok ang Kwhr consumption nito.

Another cost to consider is - the whole vehicle itself.

Going into an EV option means - getting rid of the old ICE platform. Sayang lang talaga yung old engine.

Ang tingin ko... may nakikita kang loophole somewhere sa system. Please Dont hesitate to share it.
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Hindi ba mas mahirap maghanap ng mga maliliit na gulong ng e-jeepney kaysa sa regular na laki na gulong?

Hindi ba masmabilis maubos yung goma ng mga malilit na gulong?

Sorry na lang kung madaming tanong.
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Old 11-03-2009, 07:06 PM
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"baby-steps" lang muna... masasagot din lahat yan in the very near future...
Tama.Mas maganda yung may nasimulan kesya sa wala. At sigurado, ang mga issue na yan ay madali ng magagawan ng paraan.Sa kasalukuyan, palagay ko, ito ay ginagawan na ng paraan.

Sa ngayon, nararapat lang suportahan ng Pinoy ang isang proyektong tinataguyod ng Pinoy.
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Old 11-04-2009, 04:49 AM
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Sir JPDM,

medyo mahirap kasing alisin ang ugaling "talangka" at pagiging "makapili" sa mga Pinoy... pero someday magkakaigi rin yan.
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Old 11-04-2009, 06:32 AM
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Sir JPDM,

medyo mahirap kasing alisin ang ugaling "talangka" at pagiging "makapili" sa mga Pinoy... pero someday magkakaigi rin yan.
Worst case ng crab mentality yan. And they will use all sorts of dirty tricks to put down efforts made by Pinoys.

Anyway, these naysayers will not bring down the efforts made by the e-jeepney proponents. Im hopeful after the Makati activities, more LGU will follow the model.
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Old 11-04-2009, 07:23 AM
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I realized that this e-jeepney monitor thread is more than two years since it was first posted. Like everything else in this country, economic development and technological advancement that benefit the nation move sooo slow, sometimes to a point that we retrogress. Expect further delays on developments here until the country elects its new leaders in 2010. Hopefully the next leaders would be better and should be technology savvy visionaries, which is another story and another thread.
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Old 11-05-2009, 04:29 AM
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Di ba lahat ng uri ng saskyan pag hindi naalagaan hindi magtatagal?

Sino sa palagay mo ang mag-aayos ng mga e-jeepney na pag-aari ng mga operators nito?

Lahat halos ng piyesa ng auto mahal lalo yung mga bagong sasakyan at hi-tech. Ang e-jeepney kokonti parts so siguro hindi kamahalan.

Yun nga lang ang baterya na tama ka may kamahalan ng konti.

Perhaps, we have to look into battery technololgy to lessen cost input on this even if just to lengthen battery life displacing replacement cost through time factor.

Metals polarity within solids normally puts polarities on the extreme ends of a given solid metal. Say a mm x 10 mm x 20 mm of copper will have a negative part on one side of the length and a positive polarity on the other side. When the electrons are given off as electrical discharge, copper will then dissolve into a component of the acidic solution if and when not enough electrons are still within the copper bar that can hold the copper atom from separating itself from the other copper element on the copper bar.

The reason why a total battery discharge destroys the battery is that the metal mesh are practically dissolved enough that much of the metals have gone into the acidic solution and worse if with the presence of chlorine the chemical bond of lead chloride is strong that makes it practically impossible to go back into lead and chlorine ionized state so that prevents the lead to move back to the lead mesh in the process of charging. The lead chloride is the white precipitate that one can observe found at the bottom of dead batteries.

Deep cell batteries last longer since total discharge of electrons is minimized with the configuration of having thicker "bars" rather than thin meshes as with the stater batteries currently in use in most batteries.

The problem of short battery life is that when charging, the point where the metals are charged are concentrated at the point of connection wherein the metals in the acidic solution are gathered at the expense of limiting the area of exposure to charging that eventually, it is only at the points where the metals are charged where enough metals are accumulated for the electron transfer to occur that in time is so limited the the battery is considered dead.

Perhaps if a more conductive metal are embedded into the plates, Charging will occur a a larger surface area thus can prolong battery life with a relatively small input of embedding the more conductive metal into the plates of deep cell batteries.

Will have to research on conductance of the different metals.

Just a thought here.
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Old 11-05-2009, 06:21 AM
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Worst case ng crab mentality yan. And they will use all sorts of dirty tricks to put down efforts made by Pinoys.

Anyway, these naysayers will not bring down the efforts made by the e-jeepney proponents. Im hopeful after the Makati activities, more LGU will follow the model.

Yup, is why they developed competitive intelligence -- to quash any competition by nipping it in the bud... so quiet lang tayo as we do our thing.

Tuloy ang think tank.
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Old 11-06-2009, 02:41 AM
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