After all that said all you can come back with is a typing error of childish. Now that is truly pathetic.
You prove my point of having nothing to add because you still have not added anything and cannot answer any questions.
Do i need to repeat the post for you. Simply ignoring things just make you look foolish, your the one supporting something that by all forms of actually scientific testing has been proven not to work. You cannot provide any evidence to the contrary.
So typical of the HHO cult, and that's what it is.
CULT
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great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially: such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad
HHO does not make your vehicle get better fuel economy PERIOD!
And you can't prove otherwise. We can ask until we are bleeding from the finger tips o here or every other forum on the planet. The results are the same.
YOU GOT NOTHING BUT TESTIMONIALS, YOUTUBE VIDEOS, BAD SCIENCE, SCAM ARTIST,DECEPTIVE MARKETING, FALSE ADVERTISING, NOT ONE UNIVERSITY OR GOVERNMENT STUDY, INDEPENDENT LAB STUDY, EPA, OR CIVILIAN TO BACK YOUR CLAIMS.
HHO is intellectually and scientificaly bankrupt on any facts or evidence of it's performance in a internal combustion engine.
For more reference on Faraday's Law see this link: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
Most information on Michael Faraday's Law tend to revolve around his laws of induction for magnetism which can be confusing for those trying to understand the big picture. Basically, going by Faraday's Law, you just cannot get out more than you put in something. Many have claimed "overunity" or getting out more than they put in, but nothing yet documented. There are some electromagnetic coils being tested now for validity that tend to show overunity, but nothing verified at this time. According to Faraday you cannot use one BTU of gasoline to generate more than one BTU of production. There would always be a loss unless you are using geothermal, nuclear or gravity for example.
So Faraday's Law could apply to electric cars, for just one example, that even if they turn generators while driving, the generators will not produce as much power as is consumed by the electric motors meaning eventually the batteries will run down. In our case, the gasoline used to generator one watt is more than the energy value of the hydrogen we produce.
If you take our formula, you'll notice there are values already established to evaluate the amount of energy necessary to produce one watt. Then this is figured in to the value in BTUs of hydrogen we produce. If we break even, or unity, then we get 100% efficiency. Some people on the Internet show exaggerated figures on HHO production and amps. When you figure this up according to Faraday's Law you have more than 100% efficiency or overunity. If you have overunity, then this means you gain or run ahead the more you use or produce. If so, then why in the world would you ever need a gas tank? Clearly they are exaggerating, dishonest or just unable to measure volumes and amps properly.
Our formula 7744 X 100 X HHO produced in one minute divided by (Watts X 60 seconds) is taking the energy necessary to make the hydrogen (Watts X test period in seconds) and dividing that into the value of the HHO produced. So basically we are taking a standard measure of energy necessary to produce electricity compared to the energy value of the hydrogen produced in BTUs of energy. Faraday's Law can be applied to many other technologies including electric motors and hydrogen fuel cells that turn hydrogen into electricity. You just need to have the energy value of what you make compared to the energy value of what was consumed to make that volume.
The reason most formulas on the Internet take the BTU value of hydrogen by weight, then transfered to volume at sea level is because the volume of a gas at sea level will be less than the same weight of that gas at much higher altitude. I could take a cell making 1 liter per minute in Manila (sea level) and take it to Mexico City (more than 2 kilometers above sea level) and the same volume of hydrogen will occupy more space making it appear to be larger. So guys testing their HHO generators at high altitude may appear to be more efficient than the rest of us, but actually just making the same amount of gas in mass/weight even if it is more in volume.
This is why when you over run a HHO generator your mileage goes down. If run at lower amps, this depends on the engine size and whether diesel of gasoline fueled, you tend to be within the "flywheel effect" of that engine. This is the area where the engine's momentum carries it, to a point. If you pass this area mileage will drop as you must burn more fuel to push the extra amperage. More HHO does not equate to better mileage if amps run away beyond the engine's ability to carry those amps. I don't remember seeing this on the Internet, but it's a factor you will run into if you tinker around with different strengths of electrolyte, especially on small engines.
Sir, I think you mixed up the laws of Faraday. The one you just told here is that if you have changing magnetic flux, emf will be produced which cannot be related to what you are talking about.
However, there is also Faraday's law for electrolysis. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
How does your equation from page 14 derived from Faraday's law of electrolysis?
Sir, I think you mixed up the laws of Faraday. The one you just told here is that if you have changing magnetic flux, emf will be produced which cannot be related to what you are talking about.
However, there is also Faraday's law for electrolysis. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
How does your equation from page 14 derived from Faraday's law of electrolysis?
I believe I did mention most of the information on Faraday's Law on the Internet deals with the laws of magnetism or electric motor efficiency. However, if you research this further you will find the premise for Faraday's Law, as used by most every industry, has been applied in the manner I specified above. In other words, we take the energy used compared to the energy produced to measure efficiency and credit the premise to Faraday, since he first provide this idea back in the 1830s. Maybe we shouldn't call it Faraday's Law? I don't know, but this is what everyone refers to even if they are figuring the efficiency of batteries, for just one of many possible examples.
I believe I did mention most of the information on Faraday's Law on the Internet deals with the laws of magnetism or electric motor efficiency. However, if you research this further you will find the premise for Faraday's Law, as used by most every industry, has been applied in the manner I specified above. In other words, we take the energy used compared to the energy produced to measure efficiency and credit the premise to Faraday, since he first provide this idea back in the 1830s. Maybe we shouldn't call it Faraday's Law? I don't know, but this is what everyone refers to even if they are figuring the efficiency of batteries, for just one of many possible examples.
Sir, I think we're not talking about the same thing. Both laws were observed by Faraday but deal with different phenomena. The one you are talking about relates to magnetism (how a change in flux produces emf) while the equation that one should be using for "HHO" production should be the Faraday's law of electrolysis. I would just like to know how did you come up with "7744 X 100 X HHO" mathematically?
Sir, I think we're not talking about the same thing. Both laws were observed by Faraday but deal with different phenomena. The one you are talking about relates to magnetism (how a change in flux produces emf) while the equation that one should be using for "HHO" production should be the Faraday's law of electrolysis. I would just like to know how did you come up with "7744 X 100 X HHO" mathematically?
OK, I just misunderstood your question. Whether we attribute this formula to Faraday or just the concept, let me break down part of it for you. Here it is in basic form:
First, taking the efficiency percent formula the first part with the watts figured is a standard used to compute the amount of energy necessary to produce the electricity. This is to assume that no matter if alternator or generator or whether powered by a diesel or gasoline engine, the same amount of energy is required to produce this current. This is compared to the BTU value of the hydrogen as follows:
7744 = BTU value of one milliliter of hydrogen (remember, only 2/3 of this volume is actually hydrogen in our case)
X 100 to equal one liter
7744 X 100 X volume in liters per minute of production to get the correct total value in energy per minute of production, our test period in this formula.
This is divided by the value of the energy consumed to generate the electricity (volts X amps X test period in seconds which is 60 for this formula)
7744 X 100 X HHO volume of production in one minute or 60 seconds divided by (amps X volts X 60)
More detailed information on this: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
First time I ever heard of computing "Faraday's Law" to figure loss in efficiency through a system was at a company I worked for that built 100-300 ton dump trucks for copper or coal mines. These used diesel engines to turn generators which then power electric motors in the wheels to propel the truck forward much like a diesel train. Of course, once the diesel engines turn the generators then power the electric motors there is a loss of efficiency. They had a formula to figure this depending on the size of the electric motors and output of the generators. At the time I wondered why they used electric motors to propel these trucks if there is a loss of efficiency? Of course, there always is a good reason and in this case the tremendous weight to be moved presented transmission problems for the diesel engines, so the way the electric motors applied torque to the wheels made this transition of power to the load better. I believe these trucks would only achieve a top speed of 45 miles per hour, which is impressive considering the size and load being moved.
I've been told, and this is only hearsay, but the diesel trains use a system where the electric motors apply torque at low speeds, but once the load is moving the load is shifted to a more direct drive from the diesel engines which keeps efficiency higher. I always found it hard to believe those locomotives could take such heavy loads great distances on electric motors alone.
I hope this clears this up for you. The video goes into more detail about spotting gross exaggerations posted on the Internet about production of HHO. Clearly some people exaggerate or are very inept in how they measure performance of electrolysis cells they are selling or testing. About 6 months ago I was showing that my smacks cell got more efficient as amps increase. I even showed some of these primitive dinosaurs getting more than 60% efficiency in my notes. But as luck has it I was making a big mistake in amp readings. My ammeter was a direct in the circuit ammeter and internal resistance inside the unit caused the readings to be low compared to what was accurate. I got accurate readings below 10 amps, but clearly wrong past 10 amps to the maximum of 20 amps this ammeter supposedly would read. Once I got a better ammeter I noticed the discrepancy and had to run all the tests over. Everything 8 amps and below were dead on at about 40% efficient. But the higher amp runs dropped to a more accurate 40% from the previous faulty runs showing 60%. Disappointing, but a learning experience. I also learned that cell efficiency tends to be more on a straight line over a long range of amperage.
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