Smack is now making Titanium cladded plates... what do you think of the advantage of this design?
I honestly have no idea. I was skeptical about using nickel, but now realize there are better metals. I am busy today, already went out and voted but now have to catch on all the work I am behind on. But I'll go to the HHO Forum and check out what is new there and if anything about this design has been posted. I'll let you know what I find out.
Titanium is rather expensive, but if only plated on, could be valuable to improve efficiency at a low cost. Are the plates flat? Just curious.
I was reading information at the HHO Forum and there is a current discussion on titanium bonded plates. You have to take a lot of what some people tell you with caution until you get a chance to test it for yourself, but one person posted some good information on how to condition titanium to develop a coating that needs to be baked on, maybe in an oven? The coating is very irregular having so many microscopic crevices that a lot more HHO bubbles can for on the surface. Sounds a lot like what many have said about the conditioning of the tubes to duplicate the Meyers and Lawton cells. The reason the titanium is attached to other metals such as stainless is due to the fact that pure titanium is a poor conductor and tends to corrode faster if you believe what is being posted. But the corrosion problem leads to the surface deposits that most feel are the perfect end result. I'm not sure if I go along with this idea. My friend helping me with my HHO projects has been working to develop the coatings on tube cells for quite some time, still no burst of performance, lots of deposits now coating the tubes. But his tubes are stainless steel.
I may have not made this clear, but diesels are not affected by the HHO systems and do not need any sort of modification to the CPU or circuits to retune them to accept HHO. Just FYI
Some interesting huge HHO generators:
Spodie Odie and his V10 cell:
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Terrible audio. However, if you go to Zerofossilfuel's website: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
He answers all e-mails and can clear up some of the lost information. And yes, I noticed Spodie Odie is smoking around that V10 manifold setup. I sure hope he doesn't do that when it's running!
More huge HHO systems:
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HHO Torch:
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Terrible audio. However, if you go to Zerofossilfuel's website: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
He answers all e-mails and can clear up some of the lost information. And yes, I noticed Spodie Odie is smoking around that V10 manifold setup. I sure hope he doesn't do that when it's running!
This is a quote directly from the site you posted, So explain why anyone should purchase this stuff?
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We do not condone anyone making false statements of increases in mpg or reductions in emissions. Our own cells have not been tested to conclusively improve mileage or reduce emissions. Yet.
Why would anyone spend almost $600 USD on a cell that even the company selling it cannot prove works. Would anyone by any other product on the market like this?
How many years is enough before anyone provides the proof that we keep asking for?
Ever read the warranty on these things.
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The installation kits and extra parts included including relays, switches, etc. are covered by their own mfg. warranties and are new direct to you. If there is a problem with any of these items, contact us immediately for replacement before installation on the vehicle. Once installed, we cannot return it to the mfg. and the item cannot be returned. We offer a 30 day return policy on broken or non functioning items that have been checked prior to installation.
Contact us immediately if you discover a broken item. We recommend doing an inspection upon receiving your kit and check to make sure there are no problems or broken parts. *Shipping Costs are NOT refundable or reimbursed under any circumstances, unless we make a mistake on your order, (in which case we will be responsible for shipping costs).
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If you have installed the kit in your car, you may NOT return it for any reason EXCEPT warranty repair- no refunds issued after installed in vehicle or used in any manner.
If the generator is broken, leaks, or does not produce HHO gas, contact us for a replacement. We will fix or repair it for up to one year after purchase for the cost of shipping only. We do not accept returns based on mileage results because we have no control over the quality of the installation or the type of vehicle it is put into.
Hydrogen Generators must be maintained on a normal basis. If you notice a reduction in performance, this is not a defect or an indication it is broken. It simply indicates it is time to drain the electrolyte, flush it with clean water and refill with fresh distilled water and electrolyte - do NOT send it back until you have performed a maintenance cycle on it. Follow othe rmaintenance recommendations in the instruction manual to keep generator at optimum performance.
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We offer a limited ONE YEAR WARRANTY on the Hydrogen Generators and Bubblers we make. If the unit does not produce gas, or has a manufacturing defect resulting in leaks or is a non-working unit, we will first attempt to repair it. If the unit cannot be repaired it will be replaced with a comparable new or reconditioned unit, at our discretion for up to one year of purchase.
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We do NOT warranty the additional parts and accessories we include in our kits- they are covered by their own manufacturers' warranty. If one of the parts is found missing or damaged upon initial inspection of your kit, notify us immediately and we will gladly replace it, however some of the accessories we provide in our kits cannot be returned once installed, therefore we cannot replace or warranty another manufacturers product such as the EFIE, or PWM once they have been used or installed. If you suspect there is a problem Before installing it- email or call us for a replacement immediately. The part will be inspected and if determined it is a manufacturers defect, we will send it back to our supplier and send you a new one. Any evidence of solder melting or parts burned due to over- current or over- voltage conditions constitutes misuse and will void the manufacturers warranty - we will not be able to send a free replacement.
Because we have no control over the concentration of electrolyte or the amount of current a customer puts into our hydrogen units, nor can we control the quality of the installation, we will not warranty against misuse or abuse including but not limited to; electrolyte strength/dilution, choice of electrolyte, over-current or non-regulated current that results in melting of the plastic caps, gaskets or body, over voltage (more than unit is designed for), customer modifications, and/or using the generator in a way it was not designed to be used. Poor quality or sub-standard installations are not covered in warranty.
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When it does not work your just crap out of luck if you have installed the system. Now why is that?
Check out the part about how they talk about installing the product, how do they know if it is sloppy or not. also be sure to check out the last paragraph. Most HHO kit makers have this same warranty.
Why would you buy a product that is designed to keep you from getting a refund the second it is installed. And you have no recourse if it does not work. And we all know already that it does not work.
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This reminds me of something I did in high school filling balloons with hydrogen. The story I started in a previous post:
Of course, something left unsupervised around teenage boys can be dangerous. I had some friends over one time and we took a 20 volt DC transformer from my Aurora race car set and connected it to the Hofmann Voltameter my dad had brought from school. We noticed the hydrogen collecting, oxygen too on the other side, we decided to get a latex balloon and released the hydrogen into the balloon until if was full. I won't go into the details about the difficulties we encountered doing this, but we prevailed and had a balloon full of hydrogen that weighed about 1/2 what a helium filled balloon would weigh of equal size. Knowing it was flammable we were careful, after all we were indoors. We came up with the brilliant idea of taking a strip of toilet paper and tying it to the balloon. After going outside we took a match and started the bottom of the toilet paper burning and released the balloon. As the balloon floated away the burning toilet paper burned up until the flames reached the balloon itself and set off a huge fireball. Even though the balloon had floated up high in the air to the tree tops, the tremendous heat from the fireball could be felt on our faces. Yes, I'm lucky to be alive doing this sort of thing!
One time at night we were bored and decided to do a hydrogen balloon. In the darkness we went outside and started the toilet paper burning and released the balloon that began to float up and high into the night sky. As we stood there we could see the dim glow of the burning toilet paper in the darkness. But when the flames hit the balloon the fireball was so bright that it turned night into day with a blinding bright flame! This had the effect of causing every home in our neighborhood to empty into the street with all of my neighbors looking up into the now once again dark sky saying, "What the heck was that?" Of course, we were shocked and acted innocent like we had nothing to do with this. My mom saw us acting like the cat that ate the canary and said, "Did you boys have anything to do with this?" We denied it to the last, but I think she suspected we were up to no good. That ended any further night hydrogen balloon launches for sure.
So you can see I do have experience with HHO and electrolysis. I also know the dangers. My dad took the Hofmann Voltameter back to his school so we rigged up a homemade version. Of course, we had a problem with oxygen mixing with our hydrogen in the homemade version we constructed out of glass jars. Yes, I know this was very dangerous. With the Hofmann Voltameter we just let the oxygen go into the air. But our rigged up version had the oxygen mixed with the hydrogen in our balloon. Of course, the balloon did not want to float very well due to the extra weight of the oxygen. So we came up with the brilliant idea of letting some of the gas out of the bottom. Since oxygen is heavier than hydrogen it made sense it would collect at the bottom and be the only gas released when we allowed some to escape from the bottom. After doing this several times and filling the balloon several times we finally had enough to get some floating from the balloon. Since it was daytime, what could go wrong this time? Right? Well, first thing is the balloon did not want to float very well like before. We tore the strip of toilet paper into thin strips to eliminate weight and decided to give it a try. Even with the thin strip of toilet paper, the balloon did not float well at all being carried laterally by the wind until the burning toilet paper began to reduce the weight and the balloon started upward into the middle of a large pecan tree. Of course, the balloon did not burn, but instead exploded with a force that made our ears ring! I remember a squirrel was blown out of the pecan tree and hit the ground along with a shower of pecans followed by a shower of leaves and sticks. We ran away and every house in the neighborhood once again emptied into the streets looking all around wondering what the big explosion had been. This time police cars, fire trucks and an ambulance showed up cruising about. My mom looked at us suspiciously again as we denied culpability. Later once the situation settled down we returned outside and the squirrel was gone, so apparently not injured very badly. We never did this again!
Do I have to tell you how dangerous hydrogen can be with oxygen mixed in? Always use a bubbler and/or flashback preventer.
Refer back to this page for the formula based on Faraday's Law in one of my posts: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
This takes the value in BTUs of the hydrogen in the volume of HHO. Oxygen does not count since it has no value and this is already taken into account here in this formula. Refer to the video for more information on the specifics on this formula and how it is figured: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
A lot of people post inaccurate or deceptive information on the Internet about their HHO production. The video does help separate fact from fiction and makes it easy to spot someone that may be exaggerating.
Referring from your previous post. How did you measure the rate of the production of hydrogen?
A better method in getting the efficiency would be computing for the actual power input.
Then get the actual molar mass of the produced hydrogen and computing for the internal energy. This results to the actual amount of energy harvested from the process.
You do the usual conversion process and then divide the actual power input by the actual amount of energy and then multiply it to 100 (for percentage).
Referring from your previous post. How did you measure the rate of the production of hydrogen?
A better method in getting the efficiency would be computing for the actual power input.
Then get the actual molar mass of the produced hydrogen and computing for the internal energy. This results to the actual amount of energy harvested from the process.
You do the usual conversion process and then divide the actual power input by the actual amount of energy and then multiply it to 100 (for percentage).
The way we measure volume of HHO is with a lung capacity device like they use in hospitals or you can use a bottle and water. For example, if you take a 1 liter bottle full of water and invert it into a bucket of water, the water inside will not be able to run out. If you insert your hose carrying the HHO under the inverted bottle the HHO will displace the water inside. Once the 1 liter bottle has no water, that is one liter of HHO. Of course, I've seen people use 500 ML bottles and multiply the time X 2 to get the time to make one liter.
I think in some of my videos you may see my bottle/volume tester. I made mine with 4 inch PVC and use a one liter bottle. In my video you notice I drilled a hole in the bottom of the bottle and I loosen the cap to let the bottle refill for another test run. The hole in the bottom has a long tube inserted that carries the HHO. This system is good for rough measurements on high output cells. If you are measuring low output you might need a more accurate system like those lung capacity devices. You can pick one up at a medical supply. We have a HHO club member that works for a hospital and that's where we get ours.
We tend to use the 7744 X 100 X HHO volume per minute divided by(watts X 60 seconds) method among ourselves for comparison. I have my doubts as to the validity of Faraday's Law personally, but what else do we have to document? I've seen output of HHO so low that it would take 10 minutes to get sufficient volume to measure using a 1 ohm resistor, 4 neutral plates and strong electrolyte. The Faraday numbers go into the 80% range. Hard to believe that's worth cheering about. Too bad we can't duplicate that at higher amps and get more volume. So far, we're just kicking ideas around with no sense of direction to take this.
I notice some people have actually loaded systems with mild storage containers and get more out of the systems, especially if using solar panels to squeeze a small amount of HHO out while engine is off. Others use batteries to store extra electricity that are independent of the car's electrical system. Either way, they get better mileage averages as long as their trips are not too long. Our club wants to run a car 100% on water for at least 40 miles, much like an electric car. In order to accomplish this we need batteries fully charged to get the volume of HHO we'll need. How far can we go? Remains to be seen. Tomorrow the first leg of the tests include getting data on a 1600 CC VW air cooled engine at low speed to measure battery life at a amp load of at least 10 amps or higher. I think we are sitting at approximately 16 amps right now, so that will be our starting point. The final result will be using 8-12 batteries, like an electric car, to see how far and fast we can go.
When running an engine on HHO, you should NEVER hear a banging sound. I happened to watch some YouTube videos of people tearing up some small engines this way. If you add gasoline and pure oxygen without nitrogen from the atmosphere, you hear a loud hammering or banging noise from the explosions inside the engine. Same goes for hydrogen (HHO). If you open the throttle or carburetor butterfly and allow more air in with the HHO the slower burn you need begins as the nitrogen slows down the burn. Just a safety tip that comes to mind after watching those horrible banging engines tearing up on YouTube. Made my skin crawl!
Check out this hydrogen technology if you get some time:
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The best way to measure HHO production is to measure water consumption, as this gives you the weight of HHO you're producing, from which you can infer the weight of hydrogen you're producing. (you want the weight of hydrogen because the oxygen doesn't add anything you need to the combustion process).
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The amount of hydrogen extracted from a gallon of water can be found very easily using the molecular weight of H20 (water), Hydrogen and Oxygen, along with mass conservation. the molecular weight of water is 2 H (molecular weight 1) + 1 Oxygen (Molecular weight 16) for a total of 18. And for every Molecule of water converted, we would get 2 Molecules of Hydrogen.
So, now the question is, how many molecules of water are there in a gallon of water? The density of water is 1g/(cm3) so in 1 gallon of water ( about 3.785 Liters or 3785 cm3) the mass of the water is, 3785g. 1 mole of 6.02x1023 molecules of water is equal has the mass in grams equal to the molecular weight or 18 grams per mole. so 3785 grams corresponds to about 1.265 x 1026 molecules of water.
Now, if every single one of those molecules were converted into Hydrogen we would get twice as much hydrogen as we had of water. or 2.53 x 1026 molecules of hydrogen. however since hydrogen is a diatomic molecule, meaning that the hydrogen that we talk about is H2, we would get 1.265 x 1026 molecules of hydrogen. at 1 atmospheric pressure and 273K, 1 mole of hydrogen fills approximately 22.4L of volume. so 1.265 x 1026 molecules or about 210 moles, would fill 4707 Liters of volume.
As for the reason that you cannot merely extract hydrogen to continuously power your vehicle, it is due to simple conservation of energy. Simply put, the energy you use to convert the water in your tank into hydrogen would be at most equal to the energy that hydrogen could provide. Of course due to frictional losses, from things like resistance in your apparatus, you would actually end up using up more energy to get the hydrogen than you would gain from using it as a fuel source.
The best way to measure HHO production is to measure water consumption, as this gives you the weight of HHO you're producing, from which you can infer the weight of hydrogen you're producing. (you want the weight of hydrogen because the oxygen doesn't add anything you need to the combustion process).
In the long run, measuring the amount of water used, you could estimate the volume of HHO produced over time.
1 gallon of water makes 4707 Liters of volume in hydrogen alone, 2/3 approximate total volume of HHO.
1 liter of water should make 2689.7 liters of hydrogen by volume.
The only thing you need to consider is evaporation. Some "hot" cells actually produce steam which is water not consumed by electrolysis. Many think that the steam produced by many of these units contribute more to increases in mileage than the actual HHO. Every time I have gone crazy with amps, mileage dropped for me, so I just try to stay within the best amps for the engine size. For example, on the Internet I've actually read where they say you need 1 liter of HHO production per minute for every liter of engine displacement. That would be approximately 2 liters per minute for a 2.0 liter engine or 30+ amps with a HHO generator that is at least 60% efficient. I ran a 3.8 liter engine at 30 amps and mileage dropped. My peak mileage tends to be running at 12-14 amps cold on that size engine. Those are my results.
Another consideration, my VW is equipped with an old style generator. If I over run the unit it will not burn up the generator and at worst ruin my mileage and run down my battery. But I did replace a 45 amp alternator on my other test car to a 100 amp alternator. But you should never run more than 20-25% of total alternator capacity for extended run times. When I ran this system at 30 amps I was slightly over the safe limit. Very high amperage can burn up your alternator while dropping your mileage. If steam from a "hot" HHO generator was a good thing, then using exhaust heat to make the steam would be a more efficient way to achieve this. Better to run these units conservative until you are sure things are working properly.
In the long run, measuring the amount of water used, you could estimate the volume of HHO produced over time.
1 gallon of water makes 4707 Liters of volume in hydrogen alone, 2/3 approximate total volume of HHO.
1 liter of water should make 2689.7 liters of hydrogen by volume.
The only thing you need to consider is evaporation. Some "hot" cells actually produce steam which is water not consumed by electrolysis. Many think that the steam produced by many of these units contribute more to increases in mileage than the actual HHO. Every time I have gone crazy with amps, mileage dropped for me, so I just try to stay within the best amps for the engine size. For example, on the Internet I've actually read where they say you need 1 liter of HHO production per minute for every liter of engine displacement. That would be approximately 2 liters per minute for a 2.0 liter engine or 30+ amps with a HHO generator that is at least 60% efficient. I ran a 3.8 liter engine at 30 amps and mileage dropped. My peak mileage tends to be running at 12-14 amps cold on that size engine. Those are my results.
Another consideration, my VW is equipped with an old style generator. If I over run the unit it will not burn up the generator and at worst ruin my mileage and run down my battery. But I did replace a 45 amp alternator on my other test car to a 100 amp alternator. But you should never run more than 20-25% of total alternator capacity for extended run times. When I ran this system at 30 amps I was slightly over the safe limit. Very high amperage can burn up your alternator while dropping your mileage. If steam from a "hot" HHO generator was a good thing, then using exhaust heat to make the steam would be a more efficient way to achieve this. Better to run these units conservative until you are sure things are working properly.
So by your own math you have once again proved what I have been saying, You may be able to ignore the obvious but other people do read.
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1 gallon of water makes 4707 Liters of volume in hydrogen alone, 2/3 approximate total volume of HHO.
1 liter of water should make 2689.7 liters of hydrogen by volume.
So since your HHO communities best efforts can't even get 5 liters per minute per (average is 1 to 2 lpm) how long is going to take to make 4707 liters of Hydrogen, how about 2689.7 liters, How many hours is that again? talking about a true fart in a typhoon.
A 2 liter engine at 2000rpms will consume over 450,000 liters of air in 1 hour. So even if you could get through a gallon of water in 1 hour it would still make little to no difference in the percentace of hydrogen added.
And just to make a comparision of how little volume these kits make in volume, You breath on average of 10 liters per minute just sitting.
A 2 liter engine at 2000rpms will consume over 450,000 liters of air in 1 hour. So even if you could get through a gallon of water in 1 hour it would still make little to no difference in the percentace of hydrogen added.
That's apples to oranges. Hydrogen more accurately equates to ratios of gasoline or diesel to air since it is comprised of combustible gas.
We've been capable of producing a lot of HHO, but not off of the engine's electrical system. Producing HHO from a separate system, a bank of batteries such as in an vehicle powered solely by an electric motor, can be producing monster amounts of HHO, even capable of powering a small 5.0 liter V8. What we have not been able to test or find good information on is whether this would last long enough to be worthwhile. The best information I can find is where certain individuals have a bank of batteries used solely for HHO production and charge these batteries from household current via of a battery charger. They get remarkable mileage using very little gasoline, but every one of them I've found has a very short daily commute. Still no good information on whether our current HHO club project to run only on battery power will get us very far. Unfortunately we are going to have to build and test that ourselves to find out.
Earlier someone mentioned the "placebo effect" on calculating mileage. I meant to address that at the time, but was distracted and forgot until now. This is a potential problem anytime someone is testing any sort of mileage device and I've often wondered if I have fallen victim to the placebo effect on testing these HHO units. For example, if you go to the consumer advocacy sites for the different states such as Texas or California you'll notice the parameters used to test claims of improved mileage for different types of mileage enhancing products sold on the market. Rarely do they use a dynomometer due to the slight or non existent power improvements some devices claim such as the fuel line magnets. They instead take a test group of cars and let the drivers go about their daily commute and get a baseline. Then they add the device to be tested to half of the cars, and a fake device on the other half. None of the drivers are aware of whether their car has the legitimate device or the fake. They compare mileage increases to determine if the group with the actual device got better mileage than the group without. If you read the information you'll notice the cars without the device also get better mileage! That has to be the placebo effect causing drivers to assume they have the device installed and somehow drive differently.
Along these same lines, another friend came up with some sort of lotion to grow hair for thinning hairlines. He had proof it actually worked. I told him, "Are you sure?" Then I showed him the first clinical trials for Minoxidil. Believe it or not, 11-33% of men on the placebo showed "moderate to strong hair growth." The difference between the placebo and group actually using Minoxidil was only 10%. So you see, even if something doesn't work, it may actually work depending on how it's used. The placebo effect is hard to deny.
That's apples to oranges. Hydrogen more accurately equates to ratios of gasoline or diesel to air since it is comprised of combustible gas.
Like I said before you should really learn how a internal combustion engine actually works. If you think 2 liters a minute of not even pure hydrogen will make any measurable effect of the active combustion already going on in the chamber at the time of ignition of the fuel then your dead wrong.
This can easily be proved with thermal imaging of the combustion process, and thermocouplers to measure if there is any increase of decrease in the combustion chambers. No increase means no effect. You only think in theory I think in facts.
Try injecting 2 liters a minute of nitrous through a pressure regulator at 1psi vs the normal 900psi. (HHO kits, none of them make more that 1psi to 2psi if you used 5 batteries you still would not get 3psi)
Like stated before it produces zero effect and you have not in 3 pages of post provided one piece of proof that it does, nor has any company, HHO club, or individual in the last 7 to 8 years. Now how sad is that.
Like I said before you should really learn how a internal combustion engine actually works. If you think 2 liters a minute of not even pure hydrogen will make any measurable effect of the active combustion already going on in the chamber at the time of ignition of the fuel then your dead wrong.
This can easily be proved with thermal imaging of the combustion process, and thermocouplers to measure if there is any increase of decrease in the combustion chambers. No increase means no effect. You only think in theory I think in facts.
Try injecting 2 liters a minute of nitrous through a pressure regulator at 1psi vs the normal 900psi. (HHO kits, none of them make more that 1psi to 2psi if you used 5 batteries you still would not get 3psi)
Like stated before it produces zero effect and you have not in 3 pages of post provided one piece of proof that it does, nor has any company, HHO club, or individual in the last 7 to 8 years. Now how sad is that.
Your hostility toward HHO is well documented. Nitrous oxide is an interesting comparison. This equates to pure oxygen and increases the ability to increase fuel delivery much the same as a turbo or supercharger would do.
Pressure? You see most guys using PVC to encapsulate the HHO units with zero pressure or even using vacuum to pull in the gas. However, if you were to seal a unit in stainless steel, as many have done, without a pressure relief valve the unit would certainly explode if electrolysis continued. The volume of HHO would increase and increase pressure until the rupture point was reached. Most don't want to spend the money on this, but our club has procured a pressure switch that will cut power to the relay at 65 PSI to fabricate a unit that shuts down at pressure. Using a propane/gasoline valve on many engines this will allow the burst of HHO necessary for use in stop and go traffic. Just depends on how you do it.
I have a unit on my work bench right now that belongs to a club member that cannot begin to operate properly below 10 amps and should be operated at 20-150 amps for best efficiency. This unit produces .8 liter to 5 liters per minute in that amp range and should suffice for a starting point to do some engine idling in the absence of gasoline to study battery life under different loads. Electric cars do draw a lot of amperage using a lot of batteries. Once batteries are dead, you're stuck until batteries are charged or vehicle is towed. These cars usually don't go farther than 40 miles at 40 miles per hour. I'm betting we can do better with HHO and when batteries are run down we can actually get home on gasoline.
Dry Cells operate at great efficiency, but tend to leak. A dry cell enclosed in a container submerged in water is called a "submerged dry cell" and can develop great pressure depending on the encapsulating material. PVC probably won't hold more pressure than 80 PSI in the 4 inch ID pipe size. Anything under pressure with a combustible gas and pure oxygen can be very dangerous though.
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